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Muffinman
Joined: 04 Aug 2002
Posts: 42
Location: Germany
Posted: 16 Aug 2002 04:03 am Post subject: enemy territory
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did you yet see these pics? makes the thing with the engeneer abilities much clearer for me...
http://www.gamespy.com/articles/august02/quakecon2002/rtcwet/screenshots.shtml
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eyeronik
Joined: 01 Aug 2002
Posts: 75
Location: uk
Posted: 19 Aug 2002 06:21 pm Post subject:
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i dunno what you mean there to be honest, just been on mod forum going on about et, just saying how its a bit of a cash in and how if they dont improve the single player a hell of a lot its going to be a big rip off, cos this little changes there apparently doing in mp dont really warrent a full game, they could do it in a patch let alone an add on, i can see ET just being the same game as rtcw only with some new features, which in my eyes is absolutely unfair charging full amount for it and it might kill of wolf, so the game in one way will be costing £70 pound, thats i dunno $150 dollars or summit, it should of been a £10 ($20?)add on, although they would of charged £20, ($40?) they annouced it as an add on, then its like "oh hang on, we could cash in here" one spokesman said its a case of theyve done enough to justify a full game, bullshit they have, what they mean is we are going to try to justify it by saying its got loads of new features even though you could of had these in a sodding patch for free.
Anywho i hope it goes the way of quake 3 team arena, its uncanny how similar it is, for those of you who dont know, quake 3 team arena was a full game, identical just about to quake 3, althouigh it had a improved game engine, and it failed misrably because it was so similar, which ET will be,
Id also like to add that pc gamer uk is most annoying on the big game hunt page which it never updates, i dont like cs but its got quake 3 as best online game, even though its no where near, whats more is it doesnt even have wolf mp in the list, i wish theyd update there list, its almost like they lost the layout and cant be arsed doing the whole page again cos its almost years out of date.
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Muffinman
Joined: 04 Aug 2002
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Location: Germany
Posted: 19 Aug 2002 10:08 pm Post subject:
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all i meant was the thing how it looks like when engeneers build new things and this grenade launcher for them...
i'm also not very pleased to have to buy something new, and you're right it will be a rip-off but i will probably buy it to stay up to date. just too bad that i have so much fun with mapping now - and for playing it's the only fps i like because of the mission-based gameplay and the teamwork (at least in limited-lives - servers) i guess doom3 won't have a that good mp but it's the next thing i am waiting/hoping for. btw: how old is the q3 engine now? i can't understand why it's such a pain in the ass to make wide open maps with it when i have a look at ghost recon where you have a veeeery long view over the map and with sniper-rifle u can go in very little detail - they didn't use very many different textures though.. so all these mod's, addons and so on are only a space-filler for me to wait for some better engine
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zig-zag
Joined: 08 Aug 2002
Posts: 5
Posted: 19 Aug 2002 10:54 pm Post subject:
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There biggest selling point will be the addition of bots to multiplayer. That is all they seem to talk about when asked about what kind of improvements will be made.
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Midnight_Oil
Joined: 04 Aug 2002
Posts: 59
Location: Maine, USA
Posted: 20 Aug 2002 02:01 am Post subject:
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I dont see any new textures or models in those screenshots, apart from the grenade launcher. Your right Eyeronik, the same thing could be done on a mod for free. If ET flops which it may well, it will be great for all the mods. Good things are hapening and the developers had better pay attension.
Oh rats i kant spell for nuthin
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eyeronik
Joined: 01 Aug 2002
Posts: 75
Location: uk
Posted: 20 Aug 2002 02:36 am Post subject:
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lets get one thing straight, its not the quake 3 engine for rtcw or mohaa, its quake 3 team arena modified! which is a lot better, and you can do open spaces within reason, you cant do operation flashpoint, take mp_assault you can see miles on that, take the beach in mohaa that is pretty spacious, and for pure size of maps check out quake 3 team arena the game, one of the biggest fps maps ever made is in that, dont remember the name but its a huge terrain based beast.
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Ghast
Joined: 04 Aug 2002
Posts: 36
Location: Los Angeles
Posted: 20 Aug 2002 07:02 am Post subject:
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I thought the pineapple on a stick looked pretty dumb *G* probably some rigged up war photo/propaganda about GIs dropping grenades into Japanese hideaways was used as reference? They were always doing those cornball newsreel stunts in the 40s.
Am I wrong or is the engineer in all those ET screenshots wearing the black GI face hidden in the MP pak? I would applaud the addition of black combatants as RTCW is pretty white bread in its entirety. (OT - think Lord of the Rings needs to be more PC? First Star Wars had same problem?)
However I imagine the movie Pearl Harbor is pretty accurate about US rascism in the early 40s, blacks used as messhall or officer servants rather than bearing guns. A black engineer would be ??? Since one episode of ET SP is set in Egypt, good opportunity for some darker skinned Axis soldiering too?
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sock
Joined: 28 Aug 2002
Posts: 3
Posted: 28 Aug 2002 11:34 pm Post subject:
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eyeronik wrote:
one of the biggest fps maps ever made is in that, dont remember the name but its a huge terrain based beast.
It was called mpterra2 and a was a very good example of q3TA terrain.
Sock
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Muffinman
Joined: 04 Aug 2002
Posts: 42
Location: Germany
Posted: 16 Aug 2002 04:03 am Post subject: enemy territory
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did you yet see these pics? makes the thing with the engeneer abilities much clearer for me...
http://www.gamespy.com/articles/august02/quakecon2002/rtcwet/screenshots.shtml
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eyeronik
Joined: 01 Aug 2002
Posts: 75
Location: uk
Posted: 19 Aug 2002 06:21 pm Post subject:
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i dunno what you mean there to be honest, just been on mod forum going on about et, just saying how its a bit of a cash in and how if they dont improve the single player a hell of a lot its going to be a big rip off, cos this little changes there apparently doing in mp dont really warrent a full game, they could do it in a patch let alone an add on, i can see ET just being the same game as rtcw only with some new features, which in my eyes is absolutely unfair charging full amount for it and it might kill of wolf, so the game in one way will be costing £70 pound, thats i dunno $150 dollars or summit, it should of been a £10 ($20?)add on, although they would of charged £20, ($40?) they annouced it as an add on, then its like "oh hang on, we could cash in here" one spokesman said its a case of theyve done enough to justify a full game, bullshit they have, what they mean is we are going to try to justify it by saying its got loads of new features even though you could of had these in a sodding patch for free.
Anywho i hope it goes the way of quake 3 team arena, its uncanny how similar it is, for those of you who dont know, quake 3 team arena was a full game, identical just about to quake 3, althouigh it had a improved game engine, and it failed misrably because it was so similar, which ET will be,
Id also like to add that pc gamer uk is most annoying on the big game hunt page which it never updates, i dont like cs but its got quake 3 as best online game, even though its no where near, whats more is it doesnt even have wolf mp in the list, i wish theyd update there list, its almost like they lost the layout and cant be arsed doing the whole page again cos its almost years out of date.
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Muffinman
Joined: 04 Aug 2002
Posts: 42
Location: Germany
Posted: 19 Aug 2002 10:08 pm Post subject:
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all i meant was the thing how it looks like when engeneers build new things and this grenade launcher for them...
i'm also not very pleased to have to buy something new, and you're right it will be a rip-off but i will probably buy it to stay up to date. just too bad that i have so much fun with mapping now - and for playing it's the only fps i like because of the mission-based gameplay and the teamwork (at least in limited-lives - servers) i guess doom3 won't have a that good mp but it's the next thing i am waiting/hoping for. btw: how old is the q3 engine now? i can't understand why it's such a pain in the ass to make wide open maps with it when i have a look at ghost recon where you have a veeeery long view over the map and with sniper-rifle u can go in very little detail - they didn't use very many different textures though.. so all these mod's, addons and so on are only a space-filler for me to wait for some better engine
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zig-zag
Joined: 08 Aug 2002
Posts: 5
Posted: 19 Aug 2002 10:54 pm Post subject:
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There biggest selling point will be the addition of bots to multiplayer. That is all they seem to talk about when asked about what kind of improvements will be made.
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Midnight_Oil
Joined: 04 Aug 2002
Posts: 59
Location: Maine, USA
Posted: 20 Aug 2002 02:01 am Post subject:
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I dont see any new textures or models in those screenshots, apart from the grenade launcher. Your right Eyeronik, the same thing could be done on a mod for free. If ET flops which it may well, it will be great for all the mods. Good things are hapening and the developers had better pay attension.
Oh rats i kant spell for nuthin
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eyeronik
Joined: 01 Aug 2002
Posts: 75
Location: uk
Posted: 20 Aug 2002 02:36 am Post subject:
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lets get one thing straight, its not the quake 3 engine for rtcw or mohaa, its quake 3 team arena modified! which is a lot better, and you can do open spaces within reason, you cant do operation flashpoint, take mp_assault you can see miles on that, take the beach in mohaa that is pretty spacious, and for pure size of maps check out quake 3 team arena the game, one of the biggest fps maps ever made is in that, dont remember the name but its a huge terrain based beast.
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Ghast
Joined: 04 Aug 2002
Posts: 36
Location: Los Angeles
Posted: 20 Aug 2002 07:02 am Post subject:
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I thought the pineapple on a stick looked pretty dumb *G* probably some rigged up war photo/propaganda about GIs dropping grenades into Japanese hideaways was used as reference? They were always doing those cornball newsreel stunts in the 40s.
Am I wrong or is the engineer in all those ET screenshots wearing the black GI face hidden in the MP pak? I would applaud the addition of black combatants as RTCW is pretty white bread in its entirety. (OT - think Lord of the Rings needs to be more PC? First Star Wars had same problem?)
However I imagine the movie Pearl Harbor is pretty accurate about US rascism in the early 40s, blacks used as messhall or officer servants rather than bearing guns. A black engineer would be ??? Since one episode of ET SP is set in Egypt, good opportunity for some darker skinned Axis soldiering too?
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sock
Joined: 28 Aug 2002
Posts: 3
Posted: 28 Aug 2002 11:34 pm Post subject:
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eyeronik wrote:
one of the biggest fps maps ever made is in that, dont remember the name but its a huge terrain based beast.
It was called mpterra2 and a was a very good example of q3TA terrain.
Sock
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